Project Hail Mary: Interview with Scribe Goddard (Oscar Nominee, “The Martian”)

“We’re trying to film the universe,” says the Oscar-nominated writer, who talks about the Ryan Gosling space epic, his top-rated TV series ‘High Potential’ and the making The Good Place.

Goddard first penned the script to Ridley Scott’s 2015 version of Andy Weir’s The Martian, a screenplay that earned him Oscar nomination.

A decade later, he’s back with Weir’s Project Hail Mary. The Ryan Gosling vehicle, directed by Phil Lord and Chris Miller, opened on Friday to great critical and commercial success. Like The Martian, the film is about one guy in space talking to himself.

Project Hail Mary cost $248 million ($200 million after tax credits), and Goddard suggests that the money is on screen in a way that will hopefully lure people to the cinema. “I don’t want to sound fully optimistic,” says Goddard. “It is sad what’s happening with theaters, but we’re going to go down swinging.”

Ryan Gosling stars as Ryland Grace in Project Hail Mary
Speaking during a recent episode of the podcast I’m Having an Episode, Goddard discussed the path to getting Project Hail Mary on screen, his strategy for keeping top-rated broadcast series High Potential on the air for 7 years and lessons learned from career working in some of TV’s most celebrated writers rooms.

The Martian and Project Hail Mary

Not many actors can hold audience’s attention for such long time

Without question. And in this case, it was a dream. Ryan Gosling was already attached when they came to me. Any fear I had about how we were going to pull this off was instantly allayed by the knowledge that Ryan was doing this with us. He can do anything. Whatever I write, he’s going to be able to pull off. That set a tone of knowing this was going to be really difficult but also knowing we were in good hands with our lead.

Budget concerns

A lot of my worry about the budget goes into the decision to do the project. Before I start writing, I want to make sure that what I think it’s going to cost lines up with what we think it’s going to take. I’ve learned from experience, if they feel comfortable, they’re going to let me be crazier. Cabin in the Woods was so crazy. I knew we needed to make that for cheap. So I write that to be affordable, because then they’ll let me go bananas in the end. With this one, there was no cheap version. We’re not making this unless we’re big and swinging for the fences. But it did feel like the type of movie you could do that. It felt like the type of movie that you’re gonna bring your kids to, your grandparents. That’s what you’re looking for to justify the budgets. When I’m writing it, I try to be thoughtful. But I don’t try to ever undercut the ambition. I have big imagination. Chris and Phil have even bigger imagination. Once we’ve made the decision to say yes, we don’t really think about budget. It’s more about what’s going to make the best movie.
Gosling in Project Hail Mary. Jonathan Olley/Amazon Content Services

Cabin in the Woods

We wrote it before, and sold it as a spec. I think if we had pitched it, it would have terrified them. We just took the budget and shoved it in the third act. We found Chris Hemsworth in a casting audition. None of the actors were expensive at that time, we tried to be smart about it.  Hemsworth and then Cynthia Erivo on Bad Times at the El Royale. I’ve been very fortunate man.

Project Hail Mary on IMAX, financed by streamer

We didn’t want to do this unless we could do it theatrical. From Amy Pascal to Ryan to Chris and Phil, Andy, we all said this needs to be in theaters. At this budget, we need theaters. But also artistically, this is a movie made for theaters. Like you want to see it on the biggest screen possible, we’re trying to film the universe. It is intergalactic movie. We want to embrace everything implied. I don’t know if there was ever contractual obligations, but it felt like there were. It felt like Amazon got it.
High Potential is the highest-rated show on broadcast TV

Don’t give up on any medium, whatever the medium is. If you look at my resume, at every turn, I’m not afraid of doing something different each time. At at the very beginning, procedurals were all anyone was doing in the CSI era. I was like, “I’m gonna stick with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I’m gonna do Alias.” These weird serialized shows weren’t nearly as popular as they are now. Then they blew up, and I started doing sitcoms. I started doing movies. I started just jumping around. TV suddenly became six hours every three years. And these six-hour things are probably just two hours worth of story. I really started to miss the episodic nature of network TV. I just missed that every eight days we’re shooting 60 pages. There’s an energy to that. It forces you to not overthink it and just go. I don’t really worry about if something is fashionable or not. If everyone tells me something’s dead, it probably makes me want to do it more.

Long shoots bring a lot of energy, but they can also drain it

I’ve learned behind the scenes, you have to take care of your cast and crew. There is length where it just becomes too much. There’s diminishing returns. There’s probably a spot somewhere between 13 and 18, depending on the year, on the life. I have a feeling that if we said we would give them 22, the network would be delighted. But I’m trying to make 7 years of this. Sometimes the smart thing to do is be thoughtful about how many episodes you’re doing each year.

Kaitlin Olson and Daniel Sunjata in High Potential. Disney/Carlos Lopez-Calleja
Source: Hollywood Reporter
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